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Ambassador 27.09.2014 09:41









Fording and live-fire exercise footage:

지난 7월 육군에 실전배치되기 시작한 K2전차는 내년 상반기까지 100대가 공급될 예정입니다.

K2 tanks leaving in July, began to be fully deployed in the Army is scheduled to 100 units will be provided until the first half of next year.

http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?...aid=0000580750
100 K2 tanks will be deployed until the first half of 2015. The deployment of this fleet concludes the Batch I of the K2 Black Panther program.

The Batch II tanks are those that come with the hard-kill Active Protection System, Non-explosive reactive armor and the Doosan 1500-1650hp horsepower diesel engine.

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Ambassador 27.09.2014 10:20





The IR tracker and tracking radar are already seen to be equipped on the Batch I tanks. The Batch II will equip the hard-kill interceptor.



And this is the laser based hard-kill APS. Platform shown is the Barracuda.




The laser beam director is scalable depending on the intended target envelop (APS, C-RAM or naval). A small system is applicable for anti-RPG or ATGM; A medium system up to tank shells and artillery shells and bigger caliber projectiles. The ADD will probably show a test footage of the laser next year.

And DIRCM, the soft-kill laser.



The DIRCM above has been primarily built for airborne missile defense. It will be modified for ground use in the K21 PIP APS requirement as well.



The K2 NxRA is also the K21 NxRA.
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Fliphead 27.09.2014 10:47
awesome posts Ambassador!!!thx very much!!!
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RU486 27.09.2014 18:28
looks good. prolly the best oriental tank
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comet 28.09.2014 01:59
Awesome looking tank. Thanks for the pics ambassador
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vajt39 28.09.2014 06:22
Wow this MBT will have the complete list of protection options: advanced armor, advanced reactive armor (not sure if explosive or the non-explosive type as shown in the K21), active defense (is this a projectile launcher or the laser hard-kill?), active laser hard-kill defense, soft-laser defense and smoke launchers. This may become the world's best protected tank!

-----JT-----
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Ambassador 28.09.2014 07:22
Quote Originally Posted by vajt39View PostWow this MBT will have the complete list of protection options: advanced armor, advanced reactive armor (not sure if explosive or the non-explosive type as shown in the K21), active defense (is this a projectile launcher or the laser hard-kill?), active laser hard-kill defense, soft-laser defense and smoke launchers. This may become the world's best protected tank!

-----JT-----
An armored vehicle may equip one soft-kill APS and one hard-kill APS at the same time. So it could be either DIRCM (soft-kill) + projectile APS (hard-kill) or DIRCM (soft-kill) + laser APS (hard-kill).

The smoke grenade launcher seen at the top of the turret (picture below), is where the DIRCM can be installed and replace it. They both serve the same function of disrupting the incoming missile's tracking device, only using different method (the DIRCM is obviously more reliable).



The main advantage of the hard-kill laser APS over the projectile one is that it can completely diminish collateral damage and it is highly reusable (projectile APS is constrained by ammo). A non-fragmentation variant of the hard-kill projectile is currently being developed for the KAPS as well, but the laser APS will be a completely new system.

Lasers are also the main weaponry of Hyundai's Future Combat Vehicle in the electric-hybrid propulsion system Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration. So we are first developing lasers that can target and destroy small objects for defensive requirements, and then move on to bigger targets like an entire aircraft or vehicle for offensive requirements. The laser APS is one middle stage of that long-running program to provide new combat vehicles with suitable weaponries.







The FCV was already an operational one (the AI navigation and propulsion system) when Hyundai Rotem exhibited it in ADEX 2013. Right now it only lacks the combat management and weapon capability.

Once the hybrid propulsion system for combat vehicle fully matures, Hyundai will apply that concept on tracked vehicles also. Before we can deploy lasers with tanks in earnest, however, we still need a much more compact capacitive pulsed power system. Something like the CCPP used with the 120mm ETC gun but smaller and integrated on a laser system.





And this is Hyundai Rotem's roadmap for each of the protection systems needed to improve the survivability of tanks. Each stage is, from bottom to top: Improve crew survivability, Improve armor, Improve interception capability, Improve evasive capability, Improve stealth and reduce exposure, and finally, Reduce crew and go unmanned.



So you can more or less see where the K2 tank project will be heading for the next 40 years it will remain operational in the ROK arsenal.
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Book 29.09.2014 04:59
Hello Amb. So Koreo ERA can do anti tadem ?

I only no Duplet + Relikt next gen can do
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Ambassador 29.09.2014 06:19
Quote Originally Posted by BookView PostHello Amb. So Koreo ERA can do anti tadem ?

I only no Duplet + Relikt next gen can do
Yeah. One of the NERA design's advantage over an ERA is specifically to reduce the effective of tandem warheads. The NERA doesn't react at the first shaped charge to hit the armor, so it increases the chance that it will stop the main charge that hits later.



It would probably be a one-hit protection against tandem warheads in a certain area (unless the APS, SAP and the main armor underneath are able to block more incoming warheads). Fundamentally, the economics of MBT vs ATGMs (in direct combat solely between the two) favors the ATGM guys since we are pitting multi-million dollar equipment against men and equipment that are more numerous and do not cost as much. But hopefully, the NERA isn't that more expensive either.

The best option is still to remain undetected, untargeted and hit first by using a tank's superior network capabilities.
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vajt39 29.09.2014 21:49
Is the NERA also effective against tank fired AP rounds?

-----JT-----
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Ambassador 29.09.2014 22:14
Quote Originally Posted by vajt39View PostIs the NERA also effective against tank fired AP rounds?

-----JT-----
Yes. Shaped charge from HEAT rounds, and Kinetic Ejectors from AFPSDS. They are represented as SC and KE in the illustration above.
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Blouin 30.09.2014 01:22
nice looking tank and defensive weapons!
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EdisonTrent 04.10.2014 13:44
So the K2 needs to lower the gun for the autoloader like some other tanks?
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Kadrun 04.10.2014 14:04
Quote Originally Posted by EdisonTrentView PostSo the K2 needs to lower the gun for the autoloader like some other tanks?
Will need more vid or info to verify that.
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Damian90 04.10.2014 14:11
Nice looking tank design, good to see it's finally being mass manufactured.
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RU486 04.10.2014 15:29
Quote Originally Posted by KadrunView PostWill need more vid or info to verify that.
well it uses a bustle autoloader similar to french leclerc's or japanese type-10's- the gun needs to be near horizontal if you want to cleanly ram a round in the chamber.
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Damian90 04.10.2014 15:48
In one of the videos posted in this thread, you can actually see that gun is lowered for loading cycle.
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Ambassador 05.10.2014 15:39











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Ambassador 16.11.2014 16:14
http://www.youtube.com/embed/FoE1mnha_ts?wmode=opaque
http://www.youtube.com/embed/zxRxHmVbU90?wmode=opaque












http://www.youtube.com/embed/IsXrI_cCQNE?wmode=opaque

Open the images on a new tab for higher resolution.













Close-up of the DIRCM. Not yet deployed for land vehicles.

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redcomet_m 14.12.2014 05:48
Ambassador, what are the kinds of missiles the k239 can bring? thanks
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Ambassador 14.12.2014 06:26
Quote Originally Posted by redcomet_mView PostAmbassador, what are the kinds of missiles the k239 can bring? thanks
They were used to carry Hyunmoo-1 or Honest John missiles. They are now defunct.








The Hyunmoo-2 has its own new TEL.


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merkwürdigliebe 14.12.2014 16:14
Tell us about the Nike Hercules looking missile?
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Ambassador 14.12.2014 16:14
















South Korea's Hyundai on track to deliver K2 with indigenous engines and transmissions
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
19 November 2014

South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) announced on 19 November that it expects the Republic of Korea Army (RoKA) to deploy a batch of 100 Hyundai Rotem K2 (Black Panther) main battle tanks (MBTs) fitted with indigenously produced engines and transmission systems by 2017.

An official from Hyundai Rotem confirmed to IHS Jane's that deliveries to the RoKA of an initial batch of 100 K2s fitted with a foreign engine and transmission started in June 2014, and that subsequent batches are to be fitted with indigenous systems. He confirmed that trials of the K2's locally made engine and transmission systems were complete.

http://www.janes.com/article/45948/s...-transmissions
100 MTU K2s and 100 Doosan K2s. What could possibly go wrong?
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Ambassador 14.12.2014 17:14
Quote Originally Posted by merkwürdigliebeView PostTell us about the Nike Hercules looking missile?
The Hyunmoo-1 is a South Korean adaptation of the Nike Hercules SAM for surface-to-surface strike role. All of them are now decommissioned.

South Korea

South Korea has developed its own short-range (176-256 kilometers) Hyunmoo missile and also deploys U.S. Honest John tactical surface-to-surface missiles. Despite U.S. displeasure, the Defense Ministry has been seeking to develop a long-range missile and has pressed the U.S. to renegotiate a long-standing MOU that sets a limit on the range of any future South Korean missiles lower than the MTCR-defined range of a nuclear-capable missile (a missile able to carry a 500-kilogram payload over a range of 300 kilometers). 3 Under the MOU now in force, Seoul would have to get U.S. approval before deploying a missile with a range over the MOU ceiling. South Korean sources say that since the visit of a South Korean delegation to Washington in 1996, the U.S. has signaled that it will not hold Seoul to the letter of the MOU but refuses to confirm this formally, since leakage concerning the South Korean program would undermine U.S. missile negotiations with Pyongyang.

http://fas.org/irp/threat/missile/ru.../pt2_selig.htm
ROK in the past had kind of neutered missile capability due to the US government's efforts to ensure that ROK would not be able to obtain nuclear weapons; as a result the Hyunmoo-1 was the only precision-guided SSM operated by Korea. This was until the introduction of the revised missile agreement in 2011 which allowed Hyunmoo-2/3 missiles to be deployed.

That FAS article was written before the site went FUBAR with MAD haters, so most technical information archived there regarding Hyunmoo-1 (or other old South Korean weapons) should still be reliable.
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Ambassador 15.12.2014 11:36

The ROKA will reportedly still continue to field the M48A5K even after K2's production. They will upgrade the M48's night vision equipment into a thermal imaging one.


























There was a time when this was considered OPSEC.


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Damian90 15.12.2014 20:47
Interesting, thanks for posts Ambassador!

One question tough, how quickly K2's are manufactured anf fielded? How many will be manufactured per year?
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Ambassador 16.12.2014 04:19
Quote Originally Posted by Damian90View PostInteresting, thanks for posts Ambassador! One question tough, how quickly K2's are manufactured anf fielded? How many will be manufactured per year?


During Jane's interview with Hyundai Rotem, it was mentioned that 200 K2s will be built and fielded until 2017, in two batches. So it should be about 50 tanks per year. 100 of them are those built with Doosan engines.
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